Zeitgeist

I just watched a documentary of sorts called "Zeitgeist".

This movie was fascinating in its scope and revelations. I knew a fair portion of this information, but even I was floored by the scope of the information they presented and the cohesive manner in which they presented it.

http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/

Have a look for yourself. Its assertions and information are simply staggering

I'm including two quotes from the website linked above. First we have the "about" page from http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/statement.htm:

Thank you for your interest in Zeitgeist.
Zeitgeist was created as a not for profit expression to inspire people to start looking at the world from a more critical perspective and to understand that very often things are not what the population at large think they are. The information in Zeitgeist was established over a year long period of research and the current Source page on this site lists the sources used / referenced.
Soon, an interactive transcript will be online with detailed footnotes and links.

It's important to point out that there is a tendency to simply disbelieve things that are counter to our understanding, without the necessary research performed.
For example, some information contained in Part 1 and Part 3, specifically, is not obtained by simple keyword searches on the Internet. You have to dig deeper. For instance, very often people who look up "Horus" or "The Federal Reserve" on the Internet draw their conclusions from very general or biased sources. Online encyclopedias or text book Encyclopedias often do not contain the information contained in Zeitgeist. However, if one takes the time to read the sources provided, they will find that what is being presented is based on documented evidence.

That being said, it is my hope that people will not take what is said in the film as the truth, but find out for themselves, for truth is not told, it is realized.

Thank you

And the sources as referenced in the above quote, from http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/sources.htm:

Basic Sources:

Part 1:
Massey, Gerald - The Historic Jesus and the Mythical Christ, The Book Tree
Acharya S - The Christ Conspiracy, Adventures Unlimited Press
Massey, Gerald - Ancient Egypt: Light of the World, Kessinger Publishing
Churchward, Albert -The Origin and Evolution of Religion, The Book Tree
Acharya S - Suns of God, Adventures Unlimited Press
Murdock, D.M. - Who was Jesus?, Steller House Publishing
Allegro, John - The Dead Sea Scrolls and the Christian Myth, Prometheus Books
Maxwell, Tice, Snow - That Old Time Religion, The Book Tree
King James Version, The Holy Bible, Holman
Leedom, Tim C - The Book Your Church Doesn't Want You To Read, TS Books
Paine, Thomas - The Age of Reason
Remsburg, John E. - The Christ: A Critical Review and Analysis of the Evidence of His Existence, Prometheus Books
Massey, Gerald - Egyptian Book of the Dead and the Mysteries of Amenta, Kessinger Publishing
Irvin, Jan & Rutajit, Andrew - Astrotheology and Shamanism, The Book Tree
Doherty, Earl - The Jesus Puzzle: Did Christianity Begin with a Mythical Christ?, Age of Reason Pub.
Campbell, Joseph - Creative Mythology: The Masks of God, Penguin
Doane, T.W. - Bible Myths and Their Parallels in Other Religions, Health Research
Maxwell, Jordan: The Light of World (Film Series) IRES
The Naked Truth (Film) IRES

Part 2:
Griffin, David Ray - 911 The Myth and the Reality
Ruppert, Michael -The Truth and Lies of 9-11
Avery, Dylan - Loose Change 2nd Edition
Berger, Michael - Improbable Collapse
Avatar, LLC - 911 Mysteries
Hilder, Anthony J.- Illuminazi 911
Mugford, Duistin - September 11th Revisited
Hufschmid, Eric - Painful Deceptions
Zwickerm, Barrie - 911 The Great Conspiracy
Duffy, John - 911 Press For Truth
Jones, Alex - Martial Law 9/11
Jones, Alex - TerrorStorm
Hilder, Anthony J.-The Greatest Lie Ever Sold
vonKleist, Dave - 911 In Plane Site
Humphrey, George - 911 The Great Illusion

** Important Reference Books **
Ruppert, Michael - Crossing the Rubicon, New Society Publishers
Tarpley, Webster - 9/11 Synthetic Terror: Made in USA, Progressive Press
Griffin, David Ray - The New Pearl Harbor, Interlink
Griffin, David Ray - Debunking 9/11 Debunking, Olive Branch Press
Griffin, David Ray -The 9/11 Commission Report: Omissions And Distortions, Olive Branch Press
Marrs, Jim - The Terror Conspiracy: Deception, 9/11 and the Loss of Liberty, Disinformation Company


Part 3:
Perloff, James - The Shadows of Power, Western Islands
Marrs, Jim - Rule by Secrecy, Harper Paperbacks
Dye, Thomas R. - The Irony of Democracy, Wadsworth Publishing
Greider, William - Secrets of the Temple: How the Federal Reserve Runs the Country, Simon & Schuster
F.D.R.: His Personal Letters, Duell/Sloan/Pearce
Allen, Fredrick Lewis - "Morgan The Great"/ Life Magazine - 4/25/1949
Simpson, Colin - The Lusitania, Little Brown
Pool, James - Who Financed Hitler: the Secret Funding... ,Pocket Books
Epperson, Ralph A. -The Unseen Hand
Sutton, Anthony C. - Wall Street and the Rise of Hitler, G S G & Associates Pub
Sutton, Anthony C. - The Federal Reserve Conspiracy, G S G & Associates Pub
Allen, Gary - The Rockefeller File, 76 Pr
Lundberg, Ferdinand - America's Sixty Families, Citidell Press
Mcfadden, Louis - On the Federal Reserve, Congressional Record 1934
Allen, Gary - The Bankers , Conspiratorial Origins of the Federal Reserve, American Opinion
Larson, Martin - The Federal Reserve
House, Edward Mandell -The Intimate Papers Of Colonel House, Kessinger Publishing
Sutton, Anthony C. - Wall Street and FDR, Arlington House
Russo, Aaron - America: Freedom To Fascism (film)
Iserbyt, Charlotte Thompson - The Deliberate Dumbing Down of America, 3d Research Co
Stinnett, Robert - Day Of Deceit, Free Press
Security and Prosperity Partnership Of North America, spp.gov
Jaikaran, Jacques S. - Debt Virus, Glenbridge Publishing
Griffin, G. Edward, The Creature from Jekyll Island, American Media
Grace Commision Report - 1984 - Reagan Admin

I've been studying a bit on the Federal Reserve, Personal Income Tax and issues surrounding 9/11 etc lately as a part of my regular forum debates, as well as my long standing study of Christianity and religion, but I found a lot of information that was new to me, and found many new correlations between that information etc.

While there is still some information in the latter parts of the movie that I'd question or would disagree with, for the most part the information is valid and compelling. Some of the things I would question would be the validity of the 16th Amendment, or the "squibs" on the WTC towers etc. Some of these things have been debunked or explained already, so I was a little disappointed to see them included, but overall I was impressed.

I think the fast pace of the delivery for such a large amount of information lended itself to a bit of cherry picking or taking things out of context etc, but I can somewhat forgive that, given the format of delivery.

I would love to see a much more expanded version of this documentary that could dwell more on the points. I would also love to see an in-depth critique of the film as a whole, addressing all the various claims etc.

With that said, check it out for yourselves! An impressive presentation!

Cogito!

Another bible discussion follow-up.

In response to another response to one of my posts in the bible contradictions thread I've been posting in on another forum, I wrote the following (I quoted his post at the top of my reply, including his quote of my earlier post, for context):

KonaCoffeeCo. said: Sorry about taking so long to get back to this...

I said: http://www.positiveatheism.org/crt/whichcom.htm

In short, God gave Moses a set of tablets with his 10 rules on them. Moses went down and saw his people worshipping a golden calf, he got mad and smashed the tablets. Then he went back up on the mountain and God said "well, since you smashed the first set, I'll make you another set. THESE are my my covenant with the people of Israel."

Unfortunately, the final set, the one which was carried around in the ark of the covenant etc, had the following as the 10th commandment, along with several others different from the first set: "Do not cook a young goat in its mother's milk."

The first set that was destroyed shortly after they were made.

The second and lasting set

Just another example of Christianity ignoring even the "facts" of their own bible to pick and choose what sounds more palatable.

I think that this quoted argument is a very valid one...perhaps the most important contradiction that you've highlighted. I'm aware of the differences, but I don't think that I've ever taken the time to get the possible reasoning as to why the differences exist, and how the different faiths reconcile the differences for their own religion/denomination. In your experience with the church, have you ever heard how they handle this?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ritual_Decalogue

That should give you a good background on it.

It should also be noted that the first set of 10 rules is split up differently between several major Jewish and Christian denominations. So the "10 Commandments" even as we often see them, differ amongst different Judeo-Christian sects etc.

Even though Exodus 34 pretty clearly states the case as I previously mentioned, even there there is still some contradiction, as in Exodus 34:1 it states "1 The LORD said to Moses, "Chisel out two stone tablets like the first ones, and I will write on them the words that were on the first tablets, which you broke.", but then in Exodus 34:27-28, it states "27 Then the LORD said to Moses, "Write down these words, for in accordance with these words I have made a covenant with you and with Israel." 28 Moses was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights without eating bread or drinking water. And he wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant—the Ten Commandments."

So first God says that He will be the one doing the writing, but then after he clearly states the 10 Commandments, he tells Moses to write them down. And he clearly states that these are the 10 Commandments, something he never says about the first set of rules.

The more we look into this, the more we see a work of fiction, authored by a variety of people, changed over the years, and left in the end as a self-contradictory and flawed story as a result of the disparate personal and political goals of the various authors. Not only that, but it was also changed around simply to make the story sound better.

Does any of this sound like the infallible word of God? Or even a remotely accurate description of events or an accurate timetable thereof?

Why should we put any credence into such a fractured and self-contradictory story that scholars know to simply be a conglomeration of disparate stories over time, edited specifically to serve the personal and political goals of a variety of authors and to try to make a good story that flowed better by editing it at will etc?

People that want to believe badly enough will try to find a way to do the same thing themselves, essentially writing for themselves their own version of the story to fit what they want to believe... carrying on the biblical tradition.

This obviously doesn't make it true, just because they might want to believe it, no matter how badly. And trying to fall back on a fractured and contradictory story written millennia ago, by a variety of different people, in the hopes of gaining some kind of authority simply through the age and tradition of the written texts unfortunately doesn't give it that authority, nor does it in any way lend to the veracity of the story. It could be said to actually act to the contrary when you actually start taking a closer look at the reality of the texts.

Another example of this is the argument that somehow Exodus 34:27-28 refers not to the words spoken by God immediately prior to that verse, but instead to the collection of rules spoken by God from Exodus 21:2-23:33, collectively known as the "Covenant Code". Their excuse is as follows; they believe that the verses "27 Then the LORD said to Moses, "Write down these words, for in accordance with these words I have made a covenant with you and with Israel."" and the latter half of 28 "And he wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant—the Ten Commandments." refer to that Covenant Code, rather than what is clearly stated not only in chapter 10; "10 Then the LORD said: "I am making a covenant with you. Before all your people I will do wonders never before done in any nation in all the world. The people you live among will see how awesome is the work that I, the LORD, will do for you." but also in the statement at the end of chapter 28 where he clearly states "the Ten Commandments", not a reference to the Covenant Code etc.

It is pretty clear that while God made many commandments, and Moses wrote the Book of the Covenant as a collection of everything God had commanded throughout the long narrative, it is also clear that the 10 Commandments themselves referred specifically to the 10 commandments listed just prior to God's statement that these 10 were the 10 Commandments, the covenant with the people of Israel to be inscribed on the (second set of) stone tablets and known as the 10 Commandments.


And just as another side note worth mentioning, we should touch on Exodus 32:27-39. "27 Then he said to them, "This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: 'Each man strap a sword to his side. Go back and forth through the camp from one end to the other, each killing his brother and friend and neighbor.' " 28 The Levites did as Moses commanded, and that day about three thousand of the people died. 29 Then Moses said, "You have been set apart to the LORD today, for you were against your own sons and brothers, and he has blessed you this day.""

Yes, you read that right. When Moses came down and saw the people worshipping the Golden Calf instead of God, he told them that God had commanded them to kill their brothers, friends and neighbors... and they did. Around 3,000 of their brothers, friends and neighbors. And they were rewarded for this as God's obedient followers.

Think about that, because it's not the only place in the bible where God (or Jesus) puts the worship of themselves before the very lives of your own flesh and blood, your own family and your own friends and neighbors. Where the worship of themselves is worth the cost of you murdering your loved ones if God commands it. Where those murders are absolutely necessary.

As I mentioned, the God of the Old Testament is not alone in this sentiment. As Jesus himself states in Matthew 10:34-39:

34"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35 For I have come to turn
" 'a man against his father,
a daughter against her mother,
a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law -
36a man's enemies will be the members of his own household.'

37"Anyone who loves his father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves his son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me; 38and anyone who does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me. 39Whoever finds his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life for my sake will find it.

How does that strike you? Does that remind you of the mentality of modern day Islamists? Or of dangerous fundamentalism? This is the New Testament gospels we're talking about, echoing the sentiment of the genocidal God of the Old Testament in absolute obedience, even if it be at the cost of your friends, family and loved ones.

At the very least this is a commandment direct from Jesus to rend families apart over religious beliefs. Something I have seen all too often.

Think about it.

Biblical Rebuttal

I posted the following as a rebuttal to a rebuttal of 4 points of biblical contradictory verses. Figured I'd share it here so that others could see it. The forum I debate on requires an account to read the posts, so I can't easily just link to it for people to read.

First off, for context, I'll include the post I was responding to:

KonaCoffeeCo. said:
Tin-tin, I hope you're ready for it...

(deep breath)

What time of day was jesus crucified:
1) "And it was the third hour, and they crucified him" (Mark 15:25)
2) "...about the sixth hour..." (John 19:14-16)

The first reference (1) is correct. The second (John) does not have any reference to the time of crucifixion. Not in either the NIV or in King James. Did you make that up or something? In fact, those two verses are regarding when Jesus is on trial under Pilate.

Did Jesus drink anything on the cross?
1) Yes, he drank vinegar (John 19:29-30)
2) No: They gave him wine, but he rejected it (Mark 15:23)

Mark 15:23-25:
22 And they bring him unto the place Golgotha, which is, being interpreted, The place of a skull.
23 And they gave him to drink wine mingled with myrrh: but he received it not.
24 And when they had crucified him, they parted his garments, casting lots upon them, what every man should take.
25 And it was the third hour, and they crucified him.

The question and answers posted above are a huge interpretation, and not straight text. You realize that you are reading two different views of the same event right? They are not mutually exclusive points.

This is the set-up: Jesus is on the cross and they attack a sponge to the end of a spear or stick and hold it next to his face. Maybe to John it looked like he drank it, and to Mark it did not. And depending on the age of the wine, it could have been both wine and vinegar. Hardly a contradiction!

When did the flood waters finally dry
1) First day of the first month (Genesis 8:13)
2) 27th day of the second month (Genesis 8:14)

Also another case of distortion from the way that this question is presented. Here you present it as though you are asking when the waters first dried up.

Here's the whole passage:

5 And the waters decreased continually until the tenth month: in the tenth month, on the first day of the month, were the tops of the mountains seen.
6 And it came to pass at the end of forty days, that Noah opened the window of the ark which he had made:
7 And he sent forth a raven, which went forth to and fro, until the waters were dried up from off the earth.
8 Also he sent forth a dove from him, to see if the waters were abated from off the face of the ground;
9 But the dove found no rest for the sole of her foot, and she returned unto him into the ark, for the waters were on the face of the whole earth: then he put forth his hand, and took her, and pulled her in unto him into the ark.
10 And he stayed yet other seven days; and again he sent forth the dove out of the ark;
11 And the dove came in to him in the evening; and, lo, in her mouth was an olive leaf pluckt off: so Noah knew that the waters were abated from off the earth.
12 And he stayed yet other seven days; and sent forth the dove; which returned not again unto him any more.
13 And it came to pass in the six hundredth and first year, in the first month, the first day of the month, the waters were dried up from off the earth: and Noah removed the covering of the ark, and looked, and, behold, the face of the ground was dry.
14 And in the second month, on the seven and twentieth day of the month, was the earth dried.
15 And God spake unto Noah, saying,
16 Go forth of the ark, thou, and thy wife, and thy sons, and thy sons' wives with thee.

All that is said is that Noah waits about two months in the ark before he gets word from God that he should go out. Basically that the land dried up on Jan. 1st, and that it was, in fact, still dry on Feb. 27th.

You're 0 and 3, dude.

Who destroyed Sodom and Gomarrah?
1) Angels (Genesis 19:13)
2) God (Genesis 19:24)

Genesis 19:13 only says that God sent the angels to destroy Sodom and Gomarrah. The more important fact here is that the angels were needed to tell Lot and his family to get out. Maybe the angels destroyed the cities with God's power, maybe God directly did it himself. If that is an important question to you, then I understand your interest. If you're just looking for contradictions in the Bible, sorry, still not here.

Acheron, I'll take a look at yours too. This one just took up WAY too much time to refute properly.

Side Note: I don't want to give the impression that I necessarily believe the Bible to be infallible. I've gone back and forth on that issue for years now. However, I do have a problem with people that use faulty evidence to stake a claim, regardless of my position on it. Until tomorrow!

It should also be pointed out that he's using the King James Version as a reference which is known to be inaccurate. That aside, I make the rest of my points in my post as included below.

First off, I already pointed out that I wasn't specifically vouching for the points on here, or even the points I copied from that website. Now I'm going to start addressing them specifically.

We'll start with the four that Kona addressed as 4 points.

Point #1
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What time of day was jesus crucified:
1) "And it was the third hour, and they crucified him" (Mark 15:25)
2) "...about the sixth hour..." (John 19:14-16)

Kona is correct on this one in stating that John, and Matthew or Luke for that matter, never specifically state the time of the actual crucifixion. They state the times that Pilate turned Jesus over to the soldiers to be crucified and/or the time of events after the crucifixion. However...

Let's address several points here regarding the crucifixion stories.

First the timeline. By all accounts, this happened in 1 day. Now let's address the times listed for certain events during the course of that 1 day as listed in the 4 gospel accounts.

Matthew 27:45-46: 45From the sixth hour until the ninth hour darkness came over all the land. 46About the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?"—which means, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"

Mark 15:25: 25It was the third hour when they crucified him.
Mark 15:33-34: 33At the sixth hour darkness came over the whole land until the ninth hour. 34And at the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?"—which means, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"

Luke 23:44-46: 44It was now about the sixth hour, and darkness came over the whole land until the ninth hour, 45for the sun stopped shining. And the curtain of the temple was torn in two. 46Jesus called out with a loud voice, "Father, into your hands I commit my spirit." When he had said this, he breathed his last.

John 19:14-16: 14It was the day of Preparation of Passover Week, about the sixth hour.
"Here is your king," Pilate said to the Jews.
15But they shouted, "Take him away! Take him away! Crucify him!"
"Shall I crucify your king?" Pilate asked.
"We have no king but Caesar," the chief priests answered.
16Finally Pilate handed him over to them to be crucified.

Now based on those accounts, we have it stated that Pilate turned Jesus over to be crucified at the 6th hour, but he was crucified at the 3rd hour... 3 hours back in time. Also the fact that while one account lists him as being turned over to be crucified at the 6th hour, which entailed being marched through the streets carrying his own cross to Golgotha, where he was then crucified, which obviously took some time, other accounts list him as already having been crucified at the 6th hour, as the skies darkened for 3 hours before he commended his spirit to God at the 9th hour.

So even if we roughly give a little bending to the ~6th hour to ~9th hour timeline for the crucifixion to play out, the crucifixion happening at the 3rd hour does contradict the rest of the timeline.

This also ignores the differences in who said what, what was written on the sign above his head, etc. which differ between each of the gospels as well. Or the fact that one gospel lists the fact that in Matthew 27:52-54, it states the following:

52The tombs broke open and the bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life. 53They came out of the tombs, and after Jesus' resurrection they went into the holy city and appeared to many people.
54When the centurion and those with him who were guarding Jesus saw the earthquake and all that had happened, they were terrified, and exclaimed, "Surely he was the Son of God!"

But none of the other gospels make any mention of this obviously miraculous event of many holy people being brought back to life and going through the city appearing to many people.

Moving on to point #2...

Point #2
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Did Jesus drink anything on the cross?
1) Yes, he drank vinegar (John 19:29-30)
2) No: They gave him wine, but he rejected it (Mark 15:23)

Here we have 2 different points to address... the gospels make reference to drink being offered to Jesus twice. Once by bystanders and again by soldiers. We'll address them as such.

In Matthew:
First the soldiers offer him the following: "34There they offered Jesus wine to drink, mixed with gall; but after tasting it, he refused to drink it.", later a bystander offered him the following: "48Immediately one of them ran and got a sponge. He filled it with wine vinegar, put it on a stick, and offered it to Jesus to drink."

Jesus refuses the first, but it doesn't say if he drank the second, only that the bystander was told to leave him alone.

In Mark:
First the soldiers offer him the following: "23Then they offered him wine mixed with myrrh, but he did not take it.", then later a bystander offered him the following: "36One man ran, filled a sponge with wine vinegar, put it on a stick, and offered it to Jesus to drink. "Now leave him alone. Let's see if Elijah comes to take him down," he said."

Again Jesus refused the first, but it doesn't say if he drank the second, only that the bystander was told to leave him alone.

In Luke:
First the soldiers offer him the following: "36The soldiers also came up and mocked him. They offered him wine vinegar". Nobody else offered him anything.

This time it doesn't say if Jesus even drank the first and he wasn't offered anything else.

In John:
In this account, the soldiers offer him nothing, but the bystanders offer the following: "28Later, knowing that all was now completed, and so that the Scripture would be fulfilled, Jesus said, "I am thirsty." 29A jar of wine vinegar was there, so they soaked a sponge in it, put the sponge on a stalk of the hyssop plant, and lifted it to Jesus' lips. 30When he had received the drink, Jesus said, "It is finished." With that, he bowed his head and gave up his spirit."

So this time only the bystanders offer him anything, and he explicitly drinks of it to fulfill scripture.

So we have the soldiers offering the following: "wine mixed with gall", "wine mixed with myrrh", "wine vinegar", and nothing in the fourth.

Then we have the bystanders offering the following: "wine vinegar", "wine vinegar", nothing, and then again "wine vinegar". Now we should note that Jesus specifically drank the wine vinegar this second time in order to fulfill scripture, so it seems odd that Luke would make no mention of it.

So what did the soldiers actually offer Jesus, given that we have 3 different mixes listed and nothing at all in the fourth? And why does Luke make no mention of the explicitly scripturally fulfilling second drink?

Point #3
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When did the flood waters finally dry
1) First day of the first month (Genesis 8:13)
2) 27th day of the second month (Genesis 8:14)

Here is another where Kona is sort of correct in his statement. The New International Version makes this perfectly clear: "13 By the first day of the first month of Noah's six hundred and first year, the water had dried up from the earth. Noah then removed the covering from the ark and saw that the surface of the ground was dry. 14 By the twenty-seventh day of the second month the earth was completely dry." This should have been clear even from the other translations.

However...

I should take this opportunity to soundly debunk the whole Noah's Ark story from the ground up in order to render this whole point moot. :)

Let's start by reading Genesis chapters 6 through 8 to get the whole story.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%206-8;&version=31;

Now that we've done that, we notice as a side note the story of the "Nephilim" breeding with the daughters of man... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nephilim... but we'll move past that for now. ;)

We see in chapter 6, verse 7: 7 So the LORD said, "I will wipe mankind, whom I have created, from the face of the earth—men and animals, and creatures that move along the ground, and birds of the air—for I am grieved that I have made them."

Here he states that he will kill every living creature on Earth, including all the birds, many species of which can survive just fine for months, even years, without landfall. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seabird

But I guess special "God Rain" can kill them too, right? ;)

Then we come to another important point where it explicitly lists Noah's sons: "10 Noah had three sons: Shem, Ham and Japheth.", this will come in handy in a bit.

Then we have the dimensions of the boat: "14 So make yourself an ark of cypress wood; make rooms in it and coat it with pitch inside and out. 15 This is how you are to build it: The ark is to be 450 feet long, 75 feet wide and 45 feet high. 16 Make a roof for it and finish the ark to within 18 inches of the top. Put a door in the side of the ark and make lower, middle and upper decks."

I'll link a few articles that explain this in greater detail to save myself a bit of typing... http://www.geocities.com/evoatheism/articles/asize.html, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noah%27s_Ark#Biblical_literalism_and_the_Ark etc.

Essentially Noah would have to have built an Ark using technology more advanced than that of the end of the main era of wooden ships, thousands of years later, would have had to fit literally millions of animals on it, provided food and water for every single one of them, enough to last almost a year, and make sure that not a single animal died of any of the "unclean" animals or that species would be wiped out, as all the non-livestock and non-avian animals only had 1 male and 1 female to represent them. As for the birds, as there are over 10,000 species of birds, this would equate to 70,000 birds alone being on the ark, as Noah was required to bring 7 of every kind of bird, over 100 different livestock animals, and so on...

But what have we here? In verse 20 it states: "20 Two of every kind of bird, of every kind of animal and of every kind of creature that moves along the ground will come to you to be kept alive.", but then in Chapter 7, verse 3, it states: "3 and also seven of every kind of bird, male and female, to keep their various kinds alive throughout the earth."

Where is he going to get the other 5 of every kind of bird if only 2 of each will actually come to him? Is he going to have to travel the world and capture the other 5 of every different kind? ;)

Moving along... we see the following: "6 Noah was six hundred years old when the floodwaters came on the earth. 7 And Noah and his sons and his wife and his sons' wives entered the ark to escape the waters of the flood.", and as I was sure to point out earlier, we know there to be 3 sons. So we have 8 people in total entering the ark to repopulate the entire earth so that all the genetic diversity and geographical dispersal we see in the global human population happened within the past few thousand years. And by that I'm talking specifically around 4 or 5,000 years. Now we know through the fossil record etc, that this is simply not true. :) Much less the fact that even the genetic diversity as measured by the spread of Mitochondrial DNA and it's rate of mutation far exceeds this window.

Again, moving along...

I suppose I should touch on another interesting side note... in chapter 7, verse 11, it states: "11 In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, on the seventeenth day of the second month—on that day all the springs of the great deep burst forth, and the floodgates of the heavens were opened." With that said, it bears noting the the direct lineage from Adam up through David etc, were listed along with the ages of every person. Now given that these ages were generally all several hundred years, and that gives us the proverbial 6,000 span from creation to modern day... it would bear noting that even that span of time relies on improbably long lifespans for the individuals listed. If we were to say that perhaps they used a different measurement of time, that would actually lead to an even younger earth. Even more improbable. ;)

Again... moving on.

We come to the next interesting verses: "17 For forty days the flood kept coming on the earth, and as the waters increased they lifted the ark high above the earth. 18 The waters rose and increased greatly on the earth, and the ark floated on the surface of the water. 19 They rose greatly on the earth, and all the high mountains under the entire heavens were covered. 20 The waters rose and covered the mountains to a depth of more than twenty feet."

Allow me to reference a partial explanation of this. From http://en.allexperts.com/q/Physics-1358/Water-Volume-during-Great.htm we get:

The earth has a radius of approx. R=6374 km.
Its surface area is thus A= 4*Pi*R² = 5.1 *10^14 m².

Mr. Arafat (the late President of Palestine) was not very tall, but Mt. Ararat (the volcano mountain in Northeastern Turkey) is 5165 m high.
This makes the water volume necessary to flood it to its peak V= 2.6 * 10^18 m³. (Or 2.5 million million million cubic meters of water)
This water weighs 2.6 * 10^18 tons.

Spread out to 40 days the average rainfall would be 5165m / 40 d = 129 000 mm per day or 5375 mm per hour. Imagine standing under a waterfall.

Evaporated it would saturate the whole atmosphere plus the stratosphere with 105% humidity. In other words: Clouds would fill the atmosphere from the ground on upwards plus the stratosphere (where there are usually no clouds - "above the weather"). This would lead to the earth freezing under the clouds since no sunlight reaches the ground. The consequences would be harsher than the imagined "nuclear winter" after a global thermonuclear war.

Now mind you, that only relates to Mt. Ararat, which is only 5,165M. But the bible states that the water covered the highest point on earth by 20 feet. That would increase that height to over 8,850M, which would only dramatically compound the effects listed above.

Are we seeing a theme yet? Not to mention that there simply isn't, and never has been, that much water on the entire planet. Not by an incredibly huge margin.

A few other things to note, as far as space on the boat etc... we would also have to account for at least 46 weeks worth of food for the 8 people and all the millions of animals on the boat. Or how about the fact that that much rainfall etc would effectively desalinate the Oceans, killing off further hundreds of thousands of species at the very least who rely on specific salinity levels and temperature ranges etc.

I think that's at least a satisfactory debunking of that fable... enough to illustrate that bickering over when the waters dried is a rather moot point given that the whole story is nothing more than an impossible myth to begin with. And even if you try to play apologist and reference the supposed flood of the Black Sea by the Mediterranean Sea after the receding glaciers raised the water tables, that would unfortunately not only still not lend any credence to almost any of the fantastical claims of the Noah Ark story, but it would also just happen to predate the date of the biblical creation story by well over a thousand years.

Moving on...


Point #4
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Who destroyed Sodom and Gomarrah?
1) Angels (Genesis 19:13)
2) God (Genesis 19:24)

Kona fails on this one as well when we actually look at what was written.

In chapters 12 and 13, two angels (as clearly stated in chapter 1) specifically state that they had not only been sent to warn Lot and his family, but specifically to do the destroying. "12 The two men said to Lot, "Do you have anyone else here—sons-in-law, sons or daughters, or anyone else in the city who belongs to you? Get them out of here, 13 because we are going to destroy this place. The outcry to the LORD against its people is so great that he has sent us to destroy it.""

However, in chapter 24, it almost humorously explicitly states that God specifically was the one doing the destruction. "24 Then the LORD rained down burning sulfur on Sodom and Gomorrah—from the LORD out of the heavens."

So the point stands.

Hopefully this is a thorough enough coverage of these points. :)

Vote Ron Paul for President in 2008.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rF3NtEWj6ws
http://www.ronpaul.name/NHPR_20070604.mp3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhXoHCZZXWw
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18846870/
http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docId=-5792391565012624048&hl=en

And many many more. Go do your research. Double check his claims if you have doubts, ask questions etc.

I've been doing a lot of research on these issues over the past year or so, before I even knew about Ron Paul, and it's quite refreshing, to say the least, to see him running for President under such a bold platform... namely actual Liberty, Constitutional adherence, actual Patriotism etc... in contrast with what almost all other current candidates falsely claim to be those very things.

War Facts? What a crock!

So the MySpace crowd has done it again... another bulletin of bullshit.

The only part that's really true is the quote from Senator John Glenn. The rest is a bunch of half-truths (and that's giving them too much credit) and flat out lies and deception.

Read on for my bulletin post response. I could and probably should have gone into more detail, but it's late and I don't feel good. This crap gave me a headache. Plus I was writing for the MySpace crowd, figured I'd try to keep it "brief" (yeah, I know... me, brief!? *guffaw*)

The bulletin is as follows (my response on top, the original bulletin below it):

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You are aware of how wrong most of this post is aren't you?

The only thing that John Glenn said was the shit at the very end about soldiers having jobs.

The Taliban is not crushed and is actually seeing a resurgence in power. Iraq is not liberated, it's worse of than it was before we set foot in it, by a long shot. We murdered a man with a rigged court under the false pretense of 9/11 and that he was a bad guy... a bad guy who we sold the arms to that he used to kill the kurds, an action for which we previously defended him until it served our own goals to reverse our stance DECADES later.

Many of the other actions listed, are given in such a childishly oversimplified manner as to be nothing short of lies. Russia had set it's sights on continuing it's land grabs after world war two, which led into the cold war... this also led to the horrors of the split of Germany and pushes into other regions and backing of communist regimes etc. The United States had enormous pressure on it to stem this "red tide" and preserve our way of life... to state anything less than that is patently ignorant or maliciously dishonest. Whether or not these conflicts turned out poorly, as in the case of VietNam, which was in large part due to it being a police action and not a real war, does not change the motivations that led to them. Understanding the facts behind these instances would do us all a lot of good. For instance in understanding why it is dangerous to call the "war" in Iraq a war at all. It takes an act of congress to declare an actual war... and that act of war implies far reaching powers that are not to be invoked lightly. There are military actions etc that fall short of war, but they do so with restrictions... the very word "war" should not be taken to lightly in this context... it's emotional weight invoked solely to sway emotional fervor in support of an action that in reality falls far short of the validity and importance that it strives to convince us of.

Japan attacked us in response to severe embargoes and strategic attacks that we were already leveraging against them in retaliation for their push into eastern and southern Asia. Germany had also attacked our allies and openly advocated racism to the extent of executing a pogrom against the Jewish people... and failing to understand the importance of political alliances and the economic factors involved only further illustrates a severe lack of understanding or malicious intent to deceive.

WE have killed far more innocent civilians in Iraq so far than Saddam ever did. BY FAR. We have completely destabilized the country, we have created a huge boom in recruitment for Al Queda, not only in Iraq but around the world. Iraq wasn't liberated, it was usurped to serve political goals, not for the freedom of its people.

http://icasualties.org/oif/US_chart.aspx

There were 84 American FATALITIES in Iraq in January, not to mention how many Iraqis were killed, which is many times that.

Iraqi Security Forces and Civilian Deaths:
Jan-07 1,802

http://icasualties.org/oif/

Are you starting to understand what I'm saying?

Messages like this sound interesting, but the FACTS are rarely so clean cut and exciting.

And lest this grow any more verbose... I feel the need to point out how hypocritical, racist and xenophobic the closing sentence about thanking a soldier if you're reading this in English was. Our country is home to many people of many backgrounds and many tongues... our original motto was "e pluribus unum"; "out of many (come) one" which celebrated that diversity. Those who lived here before us spoke many languages of the native American tongues, something which our forefathers did their best to beat out of them. Many now speak Spanish, French or other languages... many of our founding fathers spoke German or Dutch and many communities here in the US still do. Our country was split 50/50 on which we should have spoken as our official tongue.

That entire bulletin was an exercise in sensationalism, abject ignorance, racism, dishonesty and deception to put it lightly.

While I agree with Senator Glenn's sentiments wholeheartedly, they are the only truly factual element of that bulletin and are worthy of the respect that great man so soundly deserves. There was no need to sully that with the rest of that offal.

(No offense, but you had to know this was coming.)

----------------- Bulletin Message -----------------
From: Someone on MySpace.
Date: Feb 3, 2007 3:59 PM


Facts about War

WHAT SENATOR JOHN GLENN SAID

Things that make you think a little:

There were 39 combat related killings in Iraq in January.

In the fair city of Detroit t here were 35 murders in the Month of January. That' s just one American city, About as deadly as the entire war-torn country of Iraq

When some claim that President Bush shouldn't Have started this war, state the following:


A. FDR led us into World War II.
B. Germany never attacked us; Japan did.

From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost ..

An average of 112,500 per year.

C. Truman finished that war and started one in Korea.

North Korea never attacked us.

From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost ...

An average of 18,334 per year.

D. John F. Kennedy started the Vietnam conflict in 1962.

Vietnam never attacked us.

E. Johnson turned Vietnam into a quagmire.

From 1965-1975, 58,000 lives were lost .

An average of 5,800 per year.


F. Clinton went to war in Bosnia without UN or French consent.

Bosnia never attacked us.

He was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter three Times by Sudan and did nothing. Osama has attacked us on Multiple occasions.

G. In the years since terrorists attacked us , President Bush Has liberated two countries, crushed the Taliban, crippled Al-Qaida, put nuclear inspectors in Libya, Iran, and North Korea without firing a shot, and captured a terrorist who Slaughtered 300,000 of his own people.

The Democrats are complaining About how long the war is taking But It took less time to take Iraq than it took Janet Reno To take the Branch Davidian compound.

That was a 51-day operation.

We've been looking for evidence for chemical weapons In Iraq for less time than it took Hillary Clinton to find The Rose Law Firm billing records.

It took less time for the 3rd Infantry Division and the Marines to destroy the Medina Republican Guard Than it took Ted Kennedy to call the police after his Oldsmobile sank at Chappaquiddick

It took less time to take Iraq than it took To count the votes in Florida!!!!

Our Commander-In- Chief is doing a HARD JOB!

The Military morale is high!

The biased media hopes we are too ignorant To realize the facts

But Wait there's more!


JOHN GLENN (ON THE SENATE FLOOR)

Mon, 26 Jan 2004 11:13

Some people still don't understand why military personnel Do what they do for a living. This exchange between Senators John Glenn and Senator Howard Metzenbaum Is worth reading. Not only is it a pretty impressive Impromptu speech, but it's also a good example of one man's explanation of why men and women in the armed Services do what they do for a living

This IS a typical, though sad, example of what Some who have never served think of the military.

Senator Metzenbaum (speaking to Senator Glenn):

"How can you run for Senate When you've never held a real job?"

Senator Glenn (D-Ohio):

"I served 23 years in the United States Marine Corps. I served through two wars. I flew 149 missions. My plane was hit by anti-aircraft fire on 12 different Occasions. I was in the space program . It wasn't my Checkbook, Howard; it was my life on the line. It was Not a nine-to-five job, where I took time off to take the Daily cash receipts to the bank."

"I ask you to go with me ... As I went the other day... To a veteran's hospital and look those men .... With their mangled bodies in the eye, and tell THEM they didn't hold a job!

You go with me to the Space Program at NASA And go, as I have gone, to the widows and Orphans Of Ed White, Gus Grissom and Roger Chaffee... And you look those kids in the eye and tell them That their DADS didn't hold a job.

You go with me on Memorial Day and you stand in Arlington National Cemetery, where I have more friends Buried than I'd like to remember, and you watch Those waving flags

You stand there, and you think about this nation, And you tell ME that those people didn't have a job?

What about you?"

For those who don't remember
During WW.II, Howard Metzenbaum was an attorney Representing the Communist Party in the USA.

Now he's a Senator!

If you can read this, thank a teacher.

If you are reading it in English thank a Veteran.

It might not be a bad idea to keep this circulating.

Even reading back over it quickly to post it, I see even more blatant crap that infuriates me. This is simply pro-Bush, pro-Republican, anti-Democrat fallacious slanted propaganda. It should be obvious to anyone reading it that its authenticity should be in question after even a cursory perusal.

Try actually going and studying the things listed here... you'll be doing us all a favor. You, those around you and your country as a whole... by understanding why men and governments make the decisions they do... why nothing is as black and white and some would hope you would believe.

I think you'll be surprised just how much you learn in the process and how much it might open your eyes to the world around you and give you a new insight into the history that led to where we are today, and where we might be going if this pervasive ignorance runs unchecked.

Follow-up to the last post on the lack of understanding of Freedom.

So a few people have gotten a little snotty about my post, and the following is one of the exchanges that occurred immediately afterwards. The person who wrote it then removed me from their friends list. I guess standing up for the founding principles of our country isn't ok if it happens to offend someone. *sigh*

So tell me how "fuck the niggers" or "fuck the jews" would not be free speech? How is speech free when you're only allowed to say things that don't offend other people? Answer me that.

You seriously need to go learn about what freedom actually means.

The only speech that is not protected is that which advocates violence. It's unfortunate that people have a hard time wrapping their heads around the concept of Free Speech. But "fuck the troops" is precisely that.

What harm does it cause? Aside from hurt feelings?

And don't think that I don't also support the troops and understand the difference between supporting them and supporting the policy makers who put them there etc.

But seriously, you're wrong. VERY wrong. It is your lack of understanding that is the problem here, not my trying to defend someone's constitutional rights. And frankly for you to want to shit on the very founding principles, the most fundamental rights and freedoms of this country... I think you frankly do a much deeper disservice to this country and to those troops... because once the rights guaranteed in the constitution are gone, you tell me just what exactly they're dying for. What "freedoms" they're defending? Because at that point, they'll all be gone so that your FEELINGs won't be hurt. So you won't be offended.

Sorry if it pisses you off, but you're the one who isn't grasping the magnitude of the matter.

(and Free Speech also gives you the right to join that group and voice your opinion. So why don't you go bitch at the people who made the group and not at someone who already understands the entire situation even better than you do.)

----------------- Original Message -----------------
From: andi
Date: Dec 14 2006 10:56 PM

you know your logic amazes me. You're right. Everyone has the right to free speech. My free speech says that anyone who thinks that it is ok to hate our soldiers is not worth the time of day. I am ashamed that you would defend a group who hates anyone. I'm sure that if there were a group called "fuck the niggers" or "fuck the jews" they too would asked to leave the little world of MySpace. Hate the message not the messenger. Or hate Bush and his buds there in D.C. , not the men and women who are not just fighting, but dying, just so that people can hate them.

Regarding: "petition to remove the "fuck the troops" myspace group!"

I posted the following bulletin on MySpace today in response to a bulletin that was posted by someone else. I think it speaks for itself.

In fairness, I'm including the original bulletin.

That said, what a great way to support Freedom of Speech. One of the very rights those troops are supposedly fighting for. The whole point of Freedom of Speech is to protect the right to speak openly about unpopular groups, or voice your displeasure with current political or social movements etc.

If anything, the list of names on this petition shows just how ignorant these people are about the nature of Freedom and what it is that those troops are actually fighting for.

I suggest you people go read the constitution and familiarize yourself with the rights you're trying to suppress with this petition.

You should be ashamed.

It doesn't matter at all whether or not you agree with their opinion, they have the Constitutional right to express those views, just as you have the right to disagree and make your own group in support of the troops.

First Amendment of the Constitution of the United States of America:

(First of the 10 Amendments otherwise known collectively as the "Bill of Rights")

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Think about what the troops are fighting for before you throw away your most basic rights and the very thing they are fighting for because you are simply offended by someone else's opinion, no matter how much you might disagree.

Thank you.

(And for the record, it is no small disappoint to me to see so many servicemen and women's names on this list. It saddens me that the very people fighting to defend this country do not understand importance of the very fundamental rights on which it was founded. The very essence of the "Freedom" they so fervently defend.)

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petition to remove the "fuck the troops" myspace group!

Body: ..What I'm wanting is your help in Creating a Petition to send to Tom to get this group removed. Anyone who is willing to help please repost this bulletin and I will send a message to Tom from Iraq when I get there.
Thanks.
Scott

Keep it Going!

1. Scott Hazlinsky U.S. Army
2. SGT. Jessamyn Sobecki U.S. Army
3. SGT. Richard Aller U.S. Army
4. SGT Kelsey Houser U.S. Army
5.SGT. Patrick Poore U.S Army
6. kevin
7. brittany fletcher
8. *Robin Nicole Pope*
9. Jenna Mary Jerich
10. Erica Fante- USMC Fiance
11. Erica Rossano- USMC wife
12. Heather Weber- USMC wife
13. Joel Weber- USMC
14. Rebekah Burnett Wife of a Marine
15. Ricky Burnett Lcpl Marines
16. Morgan Terry----Wife of a Marine
17. Tiffany Clark----usmc wife (SGT. Piatti)
18.AMANDA(MANDI)FRAZIER~~~~~USMC WIFE LCPL. FRAZIER
19. Zynthia Garcia
20. Delaney Cohea (USMC wife)
21. Allison Fulcher (USMC Wife to LCPL Fulcher)
22. Taylor Roberts (USMC wife, Army Sister-In-Law, Grandaughter Retired Navy)
23.Jennifer Debolt(USMC Wife, USAF sister-in-law, Grandaughter retired Army, Future ASAF sister)
24.Laura (ceci) Fenderson
25.vanisha soto
26. Teal Garcia
27. Dana Duehr (Army Wife)
28. Jade Lampin
29. Marla Freeman
30. Brad S.
31. Sarah (Lil Bee)
32. Daniel M.
33. Matt W.
34. Lcpl. Brandon Taylor- USMC;1st Marine Infantry Div. GrandPrairie, TX
35.Jennifer Brunkhorst(Army Wife!)
36.tonya ott (army wife)
37.patrick madrid (big bad army boy)
(empty space is for anyone brave enough to sit inside a fox whole for two days and still have the nerve to talk some shit. our soldiers is the last thing sane we have left of our political bullshit gov. it's not our soldiers we should be mad at. it's the fuckin millionaires we vote in to run our government. we as soldiers just do our jobs. protecting some tree huggin pussy who'd much rather cry than to stand up for himself. if they still fill the same afterwards they can move to Bagdad and i'll pay for the flight--- fuckin cowards)
38. Caylon Evans Wilkes - Army wife
39. Samantha Norman-Army Vetran and proud Army wife!
40. Mychal Hanson- Military Daughter
41. Blane Adams
42. Shannon Bunnell
43. Shannon Bergerson- Military Wife
44. Digger Bergerson- Military Man (Back in Dec 05 from 18 month duty in Kuwait)
45.Maddie Bergerson- Military Daughter
46. Cody Bergerson- Military Son
47. Sarah Bergerson- Military Daughter
48. Carah Kettner
49. Cassidy Bunnell
50. Rick Bunnell
51. Brenda Bunnell
52. Amanda Bunnell
53. Amber Bunnell
54.heather hintz
55.shmike kitzman
56. JP
57.ted kitzman
58.teah kitzman
59.sandy hofler
60.Jason Keisler
61.Kelly Keisler
62.Merry Weiland
63. John Weiland
64.SPC Faith Ulwelling US Army
65. Joseph Castleberg
66. Tianna Rowe
68. Aaron LaBau
69. Sara Smith (proud kid, friend and sister of military personnel)
70. Liz Rogers- USMC Wife
71. Mariah
72.Crystle Ann
73.SPC BOWAN DAVID K.
74. hilary mcconnell
75. Marissa Davies
76. SSG Steve Gray- US Army
77. Tracy Reindl
78. Mike Kersey
79. Tony Carter U.S. ARMY VET, Hanover Fire/EMS
80. Aaron Ernst Fire/EMS GET THESE MOTHER FUCKERS OFF THIS SITE!!! THEY DESERVE TO GO TO HELL!!!!
81. Sandy M.
82.Jimmy Young..Firefighter...nephew of a marine..these pll are idiots
83.Holly Robertson...Firefighter...what the hell are these people thinking??
84. Firefighter/EMT AJ Zuccarelli
85. Rachel Breyer
86. Kara Wakefield
87. nathan denton
88. Ashley Hunter
89. Sgt.Matthew Ryba, USMC
90. Lala Matthews Marine Wife
91. Jessie C.
92. Samantha Powden daughter of USN Master Chief Powden
93. chris peterson- USN
94. HTFR Corey Hamilton - USN
95. Marni Campbell
96. Sgt Matt Wilson
97. Katina Pope-WHOLE FAMILY MILITARY PROUD SISTER GRANDDAUGHTER, DAUGHTER, COUSINS, FRIENDS, AND ALL THE BRAVE GUYS AND GIRLS OVER THERE....LOVE U GUYS AND THANK YOU
98. SSG Richards, George
99. Stephanie -- Military family - -Damn proud of it too!!! Love all the troops and thank you all for all that you have done!
100. Bjorn, Norwegian Cavalry/Reserve/Armored Recon
101. Taryn Grunewald
102. DILLON R. GHERNA- Security/Police, These people need to be eliminated, the men and women of our armed forces are the only reason why there is myspace right now!!! If it wasnt for our soldiers keeping us safe god only knows where we would be!!!
103~FUTURE 5 OH~ GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS
104. DEPUTY285(PATRICK)~ SSGT. USMC
105. MARISSA JOHNSON
106.Darlene Jano~to those members in that group, f*** you too!
107.Josephine Nakasone~thanx to all the men n women in the service, our prayers are with you always n YOU will always be in my heart.
107. Pius Hadley Jr. U.S ARMY
108.Mae Thomas
109. Max D. Walter
110. Reagan Aron U.S. Army
111. Michael Bond U.S. Army
112. SPC. WOOD, DAVID U.S. ARMY
113. Ashley Geier U.S. ARMY FIANCE
114. PFC Baalmann, Joe U.S. Army
115. Michael Gurchik, U.S. Army
116. Jackie Gurchik, Army wife
117. MM3 Thomas Jamison, U.S. Navy
118. Meghan Jamison, Navy wife ~ Im sleeping alone tonight as I have every night for the past month and will continue to do so until my husband comes home. He is on patrol protecting the rights of the people who choose to condem him. I'm damn proud of my husband and every other person who makes the choice to join the military. Thank you for all that you've done.
119. MM3 Thomas Woodley, U.S. Navy
120. Micah Woodley, Navy wife~ ditto Meghan. The decisions of our leaders are not the decisions of the troops. These are out brothers, friends, sons, husbands and boyfriends fighting for our freedom, our rights and the way we live. I am proud of my husband and every person that decides to join.
119. Stephanie Curry ~ sister of an airman ~ don't hate the troops.. hate the president who sent them where they do not belong.. some military personel joined for reasons other than wanting to defend our country from terrorist we armed!
120. Ken W., Senior Airman, U.S. Air Force.
121. mike giesler, Airman first class, USAF
122. sarah beauchamp/ USAF
123. Andres Matt Carrasco/X SSgt USAF--These asses who have such a hate for our troops are most likely the same fucks who voted for the president and cabinet who send the troops to these screwed up places. So you should hate yourselves retards.
124. Leonard J. Pritchett, Senior Airmen Select, USAF--My wife was taking care of my 2 kids for 6 months while I was over there defending these fuck sticks right make a "fuck the troops" myspace group. Fuck these guys they're clown shoes.
125. SSGT. SHON K. KELE, ..U.S.A.F.---HICKAM AFB, HAWAII
126. A1C John BAyuDan--U.S.A.F.--HAWAII..
127. Jennifer W. - Army daughter and Army ROTC Cadet.
128. Robert Yokoi- USAF... soon to be 2d Lt
129. Mariko Meana-USAF
130. SSgt Jordan L.K. Acosta----USAF-------
131. SrA Adam S. Bearden, USAF, MHAFB, ID/God will forgive those who know not what they do! May God Bless the Military and all of their families too! HUA!
132. A1C "Slim" O'Mahoney ---USAF---
133.AMN David Larson---USAF---
134. A1C Kelly T---USAF---
135. Sgt. Muthafucken Clouser - USMC---
136. Cpl Ashton --UNITED STATES MARINE CORPS
137. Sgt Javier Cortes Jr --UNITED STATES MARINE CORPS
138. Julie Robinson--USMC Wife
139.Cpl. Ryan Robinson--USMC
140. Lcpl. Daniel Studdard-USMC
141.Lcpl. Jim Chappell- USMC
142. Lcpl Shane Brown-USMC
143. Amanda Mac Jackson, Ga
144.Gerade Nathan SPC Tanker US Army
145. A1C Huseman Donovan- USAF Security Forces
146. Rachael Stephens- military wife and sister
147. Brandon Wofford- military dependant/ Supporter!
148. Amanda Grooms- military supporter!!! :)
149. SSgt. Brett McCarrier~Kunsan AB, South Korea!
150. A1C Jennifer Rice- USAF - Columbus, MS.
151. A1C Brian Ciccone - USAF- Columbus AFB, MS.
152. A1C Zach Brija - USAF - Korea --haha, i didnt even know about these guys, we should invite them all to a "tree hugger hippy lets get high and complain together" discussion campout in the middle of the woods somewhere and then proceed to hunt them down in military fashion with nothing but rusty K-BARS and C-Wire dipped in pigshit, then hang them feet first from the trees and let the technis/gangreen kick in all the while giving them chinese incision torture..... yeah that sounds about right
153. SSgt Riley Parrish- USAF
154. Kristilee Jansen-USMC sister...Love you Howie!
155. Jessica Wozniak
156. MA3 Joseph Smith USN. Bethesda, MD
157. MA3 Nicholas Casiello, USN Guantanamo Bay, Cuba
158. STS3/SS Patrick Corey, USN USS Navada SSBN 733
159. MA3 Brad Langham, USN MILITARY WORKING DOG HANDLER NAVSTA EVERETT
160. MA3 Courtney Hoye, USN NAVSTA EVERETT
161. MA3 Scott Ragsdale, USN NAVSTA GUANTANAMO BAY, CUBA
162. MA3 Ashley M. Dean USN Navsta Guantanamo Bay, Cuba!
163. MA3 Stephen Wilson USN, KUWAIT
164. IT2 Amanda Dawson USN, AFGHANISTAN
165. Lindsey H.
166. Pamela Jones
167. ENS Max Jones USN, DJIBOUTI
168. Danielle L.
169. Candice H.
170. Danielle H
171. Mary
172. Karen Neely
173. Jorge Ruiz
174. Jack Neely
175. John Neely
176. George Schubert
177. Mindy Lovejoy
178. Bobbi Smith
179. casey bell (army brat my dad is in the army... and my best friend in the marines ) so fuck da haters.... and my mom was in.... and my grandpa
180. joesph bage
181. CPL James B Bennatt, USMC
182. CPL Justin W Ende, USMC
183. LCPL Chris Mazur, USMC
184. Cpl Ramirez Luis A. , USMC
185. Sgt Greely Thomas R , USMC
186. Tracey Toth...I have friends currently serving
187. Malissa
190. Rev.Bob......being Ex Military...thats shit is fucked up...start a group called "fuck Bush" I am fine with that...
191~~ BABA, American!!!!!
192. James McLeod- son of a COMBAT VETERAN/ AMERICAN
193. Tommy "Rabid" Tunaitis, U.S. Army (Most of my friends & family is former/current military.)
194. SSgt. Sean Firlein, USAF
195. Mike Evans (FF Protecting America on the Homeland)
196. Jack McPartland Fire Suppression Expert
197. Cindy
198. F/F-EMT Ryan Wiley
199. Nick DiRobbio-US Army- RI Army National Guard
200. becky gifford-- thank you to all our troops !!
201. pfc eric carrier-ri army national guard
202. Brianna Duffy
203. ILLA "than" MOS! aka Drew I
204. L boogs
205. Jen a.k.a. "Impressionable Pain"-- U.S. Air Force Vet
206. Abby
207. Jessica F
208. Nick Breitbach
209. allison kasal
210.SPC Tim Miller U.S ARMY AIRBORNE
211. Erin Henkle-(sister of USMC Recruit)
212. Jodi Tuttle
213. Amber Wallerich- Granddaughter/Cousin/Friend/daughter in-law of Military personnel, and troop supporter. God Bless all the men and women who are fighting to keep our country safe. You are all in my thought and prayers for a quick and safe return HOME where you belong! We all just needed to vote the son of a BUSH out!
214. Jacki Ellenwood -- Military family and friends -- God Bless the United States Military! Pray for a safe return home for our family and friends overseas!
215. Jason Voyna
216. chantel kingdon
217. Pfc Sanders, Brian USMC
218. Whitney Buttolph
219. A1C Joshua Guest, USAF
220. Stayc Harrison
221. Kylie Looper - Proud girlfriend, granddaughter, friend, and supporter of the military. God bless all of you who are willing to put your lives on the line for our country.
222. AMN Wickham, Nathan USAF
223. AMN shawn brown USAF
224. Amn Tiffany Thomas USAF
225. A1C branden brookens USAF
226. Jennifer Saylor- God Bless Our Troops!!!
227. SrA Joseph Turnage USAF
228. A1C Nathan Mros Eielson AFB AK USAF
229. SrA Meghan Downey USAF
230. A1C Dacia Pascoe USAF D 231. A1C stephen crutcher USAF
233. AMN Melanie Sepulveda-Hunter USAF
234. Critina DaValle
235. Cpl. Kevin Swiney USMC
236. Diana Pedraza- Proud US citizen, God Bless America & Our Soldiers!
237. Andrew Lares
238. Tim Dunbar US Coast Guard
239. Joy Rath
240. Steven Kaunisto (brother of Marine)
241. Nicholas East (grandson, nephew, cousin, and friend, of vets and troops over there fighting for me becuz i cant go.)
242. LCPL Matthew Pietrangelo - USMC
243. Sergeant Haley S. Sebastian ~ United States Marine Corps
244. Craig Grambau (USAF son and nephew)
245. PV2 Samuel Gardner MI ARNG
246. Julie Pietrangelo (granddaughter, friend, cousin, girlfriend, sister)
247. Susan Parmentier (USN daughter)
248. Elena Coullard- God Bless our Troops who are choosing to sacrifice their lives so that others can have freedom. God Bless all of those bereaved families!
249. Jenni Madden - I have a niece in the U.S. Coast Guard and a nephew in the U.S. Marines. I have nothing but love for the people who make sacrifices and endure the horrors of war for nothing more than a decent wage and the desire to follow through with the most unselfish way to serve America! We can ALL serve America well by supporting them.
250. Deb Mason-My father was in the US Marines for 23 years. He was my hero and I love, respect and miss him very much!!
251. Matt Mason - The troops are just doing their job. If anything blame their boss, FUCK BUSH!
252. Esmie Longtin: USCG Active Duty
253. Jenny: Navy sister
254. Melissa Bieger: Navy Daughter
255. joshua waldron: navy son, nephew, grandson, and cousin.
256.chris young: navy brother. we all have friends or family in the military. so we should all be supporting them. stand behind the troops or stand in front with the enemy.
257. Danielle Danaher- Army Wife...I totally agree with what chris says...Support our troops!!!
258. autumn rivers--granddaughter of Navy/Army vets. support our t
259. Supra King- Tnx 4 keepin us safe guys n girls!!
300. Morgan- air force brat my whole life- thats my dad their talkin bout!!
301.Greg G
302 Jessica Theresa Fox
303. Brandon H
304. Ari
305.cedric aka luda
306. Knowledge Soundz Entertainment
307. Fredrick Moore A.K.A Sonrize
308. Geni Sepulveda
309. Zach Sepulveda (they really should be removed since the only reason they are allowed to say that is because we provide them with the freedom and liberties they possess, try saying that in N. Korea, Iran, etc. You'd be decapitated along with your family. Its funny how "americans" decide to bad mouth those who protect their rights as americans. If it wasn&..39;t for soldiers, we'd be part of England still, the French would be speaking German, along with the majority of European Nations, and slew of other "saved by soldiers, sailors and airmen" history lessons you might have heard of)
310. Salvador Montes de Oca:Support the troops...BRING THEM HOME!
311. Joseph Reyes-United States Air Force Veteran. Please delete this disgraceful group from myspace. GOD BLESS AMERICA, MY HOME SWEET HOME.
312. Alex Alvarez
313. Rashid Akil-Davis Neighbors
314. Anna David
315. SSgt Darryl Johnson 609 Air Communications Sq- I did my time out there and if it wasn't for the past fallen troops they wouldn't have the right to say shit like that freely...
316: SrA Benjamin Wierzba
317: SSgt Petrin USMC/USAF crossbreed
318. Kevin Simard-- proud supporter of all our troops. Thank you all.
319. jen
320. derek support the troops not the war -- bad guidence isnt their fault
321.Rob Gollin (gollin626) Cleveland Ohio
322. Nicky (UK)
323.Mike Luther(usa)assholes are everywhere
324. Hunter 7 - GET THESE FUCKERS OFF OF HERE!
325. Seneca Mark - I support the troops, but not the war!
326. Zero and Falling - What Mark said...
327. Jessica Montez
328. Amn Richards - SF - Standing TALL for my US Troops! HUA
329. Hayley Herrmann soon to be Mrs. Lieutenant Ward- I support my fiance that is at pilot training for the United States Air Force ready to defend our country since he was a boy. I love you baby...
330. Erica~ my cousin is in the Navy and my neighbor is in the Marines and went to Iraq last year
331. Brooke Fielder~ Proud to have the men and women there to defend our country whenever they are needed!
332. Kelly Gott- Get these cocksuckers off here. These men/women are riskin their lives so WE can be here at home playin on myspace. HOORAA troops
333. Andrea Migura* I support our troops... everyone of them are our angels...
334.charlie-i support and thank the troops for all that they do for us
335. hayde zubia- thanx troops for keeping our country safe.
336. Abi Tovar- Active duty(navy); many of my friends died fighting in Iraq for freedom and we dont need groups like this putting us down, they deserve better.
337. Luis Montiel USN
338. Alicia Tilley ~USN, Almost my whole family is in or has served in the Military, We fight for the right for people like This to say stuff like that.
339. Natasha Schroeder~ I have several friends and family in the military and I LOVE AND APPRICIATE THEM ALL!!!
340. Andi - I appreciate all that the military does for us b/c I could never do that kind of a job. I am a wuss! Not everyone will agree as to why our troops are in Iraq but that doesn't matter. The point is, they are there! Support what they do anyway! They didn't volunteer to go over there!
341. Stephanie --(support the troops!!!!! damnit! you like living free in the States?? well that wouldn't be possible without the troops!!! i support them a million percent! they deserve it! you people not supporting them piss me off!!!)
342. Grady - "g-radd." Fuck the troops? pff, Fuck You... Freedom Isn't Free
343. Jayme - wtf is the matter with people?
344. Stephanie- proud cousin (3xs), daughter, grandaughter and friend of the members of the U.S. ARMY!!!! also proud friend of the NAVY and MARINES.
345.Anthony Verdi- thanks and god bless you...stay safe
346.AMY HARRISON- GET THOSE IDIOTS OUT OF HERE!!! I WISH WE COULD SEND THEM OVER THERE!!!!! BET THEY WOULDN'T HAVE SO MUCH TO SAY THEN!!! LOL
347. Jason & Cylisa Moore - WE LOVE THE TROOPS! - "The only thing necessary for the success of evil is for good men to do nothing"
348. Meghan Hill- Proud friend of 2 United States Marines!
349. Courtney Templeton-I know 4 in the Army and they deserve better than this.....Proud to have our troops serve our country!
350. Scott Duncan........proud friend of many soldiers who serve this country!!!!!!!!
351. Christina Courville....who actually would do that? What the hell? People these days!!!
352. SSgt Jose Flores, US Air Force and damn proud of it!!!!!!!!!!!
353. Lauren Van Meter- i am not in the millitary but i do have family and friends that are in it. I am sick of hearing ppl say that the troops are the ones that are wrong... if that is the case GET YOUR ASS OVER THERE AND AND GET BLOWN UP... i dont agree with the war but i do think that we should support our troops in there time of need. Millitary family member
354. PFC Ganther, Alan J- USMC
355. PFC ROSS-----USMC
356. LCPL Long----USMC
357. LCpl Dylan L. Smith, USMC -- Morrisville, Mo
358. reagan langston - ....disrespectful bitches...*shakes head*
359. SRA Andrew Walthour---USAF ammo troop
360. SGT Susan Walthour---- USAF services
361. A1C Jonathan Gonzalez--USAF Electronic Technician
362. AB James Courtright -- USAF Combat Camera (VPD)
363. AB Caitlin Putman -- USAF Broadcaster
364.David Wilson---(former A1C)
365.Crystal Rodriguez~Pround Air Force Wife
366.bryan parsons ( tattoo artist) thes guys die or risk there lives to give you the fredoms we all injoy. they deserve some respeact.
367. SGT Kathleen Cloose --US ARMY
368. PFC Jonathon Pigott -- US ARMY
369. SSGT Ruth Wilson - USAF - Operations Intelligence
370. Andria Russow
371. Julie McHugh
372.Chris Jensen
373.Hayley Hall- my friend barry is in iraq so please sign
374. shawnna walton- my brother is in the usmc in iraq
375.CHRISTINA COLEMAN-my cousin is joining the air force and IM AN AMERICAN SO I STAND BY MY COUNTRY AND TROOPS !!!!!
376.HOLLYE MALADY- GOOD LUCK JIMBO IM GONNA MISS U SOO MUCH B SAFE C U WHEN U GET BAC HOPEFULLY I WILL C U N SEPT.!!! US ARMY!!!!!!!!!
F*%@ those who dont!!!!!
377.Collier Mathis-( got friends in army) sign this petition and keep it going
378.Tayler Stout-i got alot of friends and family in our troops and they deserve appreciation!!
379.Caitlyn Landry- - Jake Sides&&Jacob Mosley!!! I miss Ya'll!:(
380. Matthew G.
381. Derek Laird-Sgt.Dustin Laird, I love you brother.
382. Emily Anderson
383.Tracy Campbell
384. Billy McGee - U.S. Army Veteran 1990-1994 (First Iraq War)
385. Janna Kaler
386. Wendy Lofton, TN
387. Kory Green, TN
388. mike reave
389. Mandy Chambers, La
390. SHElBy!
391. Chase
392. Stephanie W.
393. Kyler Patterson Marine Corps Son
394. Salena Honts..... Army Wife and Pround of It
395. Melissa Suiters- Army Wife =)
396.Lydia~~~ex- military wife!
397.Crystal C.
398. Jessica Aviles
399. Ally L.
400.Andrew Covey
401. nik fust
402. Jessica Monroe
403. Julissa Salas
404.JERARDO ALMENDAREZ
405.ROXY HOLLYWOOD <33
406.myndsight- a rock band that definatly supports the troops
407. Lee West
408.Alisa Palacio
409. Jon from MySpace - that's ridiculous... it shouldn't take a stinking petition to have this removed, but ugh..
410.Rachel Peraza- Friend Of Army Troop
411. Brandon Pannell- U.S. Navy
412. kla
413. Deante long- U.S. Army
414. Destiny Stevenson- U.S Army Wife
415. PEARL TIRADO- PROUD ARMY WIFE
416.Raquel Garcia
417. PV2 Brent Reyes. fuck the troops? FUCK YOU! if it wasnt for the u.s. military, you wouldnt have the fuckin right to bitch and moan about anything. try living under a dictatorship like saddam hussein then talk. like ..37 said. if you can do my job, ill happily pay for your plane ticket to iraq. youll be pissin your pants when bullets and mortars are flying at YOU.
418. PV2 Jessica Reece..Yea Im with Brent! Its bullshit that theres even a group against tha troops! You think we're just out here in the desert for fun..Hell nah, we're here for you, someones gotta be here and you pussys that are against know yall couldnt take it out here
419. Tyler Angell
420. Amie S.
421. shauna-friend of a soldier
422.SGT Jayson Yardley U.S. ARMY TQ, Iraq
423.SPC KORY BEECH US ARMY TQ, IRAQ.....FUCK EM ALL!!
424. Jasmine Jaye--rott in hell you bastards
425. Dottie H- SUPPORTING our troops doesn't mean you have to support the war!
426. SARAH BROWN(BURROW)- I DO NOT AGREE WITH WAR BUT I DO SUPPORT OUR TROOPS 100%, YOU ARE IN MY PRAYERS, I LOVE YOU WILLIAM BE SAFE
427. The Breezeway
428. One Tribe Ent Group ~~~I was Army Infantry 1st of the 15th
429. Paco - INSIDE JOB, I SAY! THE GOVT IS IN IT AND OUR TROOPS ARE DYING IN VANE!
430. Julie (Georgia Peach) - 4 of my best friends died in Iraq
431. ro (sires_servant_girl)
432. Sara (PaganBaby)
433. PV2 Alan Grenier 3rd BCT 3RD ID "Not Fancy, Just Tough"
434. Amy Harding
435. Chelsea Pruett
436. Gregg Pruett (navy reserves)
437. Tracey Pruett
438.Marissa Hoehn
439. Tim Kibler
440. Adam Pendergrass...USAF...ACTIVE DUTY.
441. Julie DeClue
442. Sgt. Ryan C. Schatz (U.S. Marine Corps)
443.Rachelle Gullet-Parham-- Navel Wife and Marine
444. Diana Gorigus --- ARMY MOM
445. Erica Stahly - - - ARMY SISTER
446. Virgil Franklin (son of ww2 vet)
447.Cathy w/a "C"-Son-in-law leaves for Iraq tomorrow, and my daughter just found out last week, that she is pregnant with their first child!!! I promise you he DOES NOT want to go, but he is a REAL man and will serve and protect all of us.Thank you to all that serve, like the guy said before..."Stand behind our troops, or stand in front of the enemy"...God Speed!!!
448. Scott B. - former Marine
449. April - i have two friends over in iraq i miss u guys..
450. Pekel, T.H., R. (Army, active duty) God bless all my brothers and sisters over seas fighting.
451. SSG Rich McMahon - I don't care if they get romoved or not. I pray to God that these people find themselves in need of some help one day just so I can extend my hand to them, , , then watch their faces as they realize I'm holing a pistol.
452. David Parker (active Army)
453. Noel Colgate (Army Wife)
454. Richard Klupp (friends in afghanistan, iraq, and border patrol)
455.Ashley Boeckholt(my cousin is in the army in iraq.. and my brother is in the air force in Korea..)thank you too all that serve
456. Danielle Caito (Friends and family have been serving my whole life...we owe a lot to them)
457. Chelsey Shope, Army Girlfriend(I've had cousins, friends, and the most important person to me, -dylan- in the military)
458. Ruben Vargas - My bro's are over there, fuckers!
459. Matt BTA Knoop- fuckin punks need to grow up and learn some thing ill teach them Bitches!!!!!!!!!
460. Laura Pittenger-Friend, Grandaughter, Neice, Cousin, and Great Grandaughter (etc) of Military Personnel and Veterans
461. rebecca lacy... daughter, grandaughter, niece, of veteran and friend of active duty military
462. A1C David Lison, 3rd Generation Air Force.
463. Polly Milbourne. Friend, Grandaughter, Sister, Neice, Cousin and so on of Military Personnel and Veterans.
464. Cadet 1Lt. Ben Parrish, Civil Air Patrol USAF AUX.....and son, and grandson of military Vets
465. Julie Ott--granddaughter and niece of Military Veterans
466.Kym Burke-My nephew Sgt David A. Dean who just started his second tour of duty in Iraq!!! I am proud of him and miss and love him very much!!!
467. Mary Ford
468. Abby Miller-US Navy Wife
469. FC2(SW/AW)MARCUS R. WILLIAMS - US NAVY
470. roderick a. williams (my bother num 469.)
471. Kristal Dill (for my cousin)
472. Megan Smith- for all my brothers USMC
473.Lcpl James Service V - USMC...
474. II Marine Expeditonary Force - USMC, Camp Lejeune NC.
475. Danielle Lambert- USMC Sister
476. Francisco Johnston
477. Anna Brown- good friend and supporter uf the us military keep it going so we can get these assholes off myspace
478. Dustan Settlage- Best friend in the marines
479. beatrice wade- 2 best friends in marines reggie remson, and dj mcnamara - is in iraq
480. Erin Rachel
481. Jessica Peterson
482. Suzanne Dillard- My boyfriend Jamie is in the US Army 101st
Airborne. He's currently serving in Iraq. He is my hero
and I'm very proud of him for serving our country. I miss
him so much and cant wait for his return.
483. Jennifer Bari
484. Megan Bars
485. Nicole Rogers
486. Elijah Croce
487.SGT. Jay Scott(U.S. ARMY, 101ST Airborne)
488.Kim J. Scott(Proud ARMY wife, I Love You baby!)
489. Kristin Rerra
490. Charles Barmore
491. Jean Elder
492. Melissa Robinson - USMC
493. Jade Long
494. CHRISTIANA HANSTEIN (BROTHER IN AFGHANISTAN)
495. BRITNEY LEWIS - my cousin SSGT RAMSEYER died in iraq.. RIP
496. Shana Weiss
497.brendan bowe- i may not like the war , but i cannot turn my back on my brothers, these people on this group are a threat to everyone in the world, even themselves , its a tragic situation and removing them from myspace is only a drop in the bucket toward what needs to be done.
498.JEREMIAH JOHNSON- HAVE FAMILY IN THE MILITARY
499.Poor Knight of The Temple-Warrior of God-Friends in the Army.
500. Benjamin Sapp
501.WARONTERROR-AUSTRALIA- Proud to call America an ally
502. Mike Sullivan "Sully" God Bless Our Troops and Allies!!
503. Melanie Dixon - Army Girlfriend
504. Laura Duncan
505. Brandon Carroll
506. Chirsty Vandiver
507. Amanda Dixe, TN (I have friends and family in the military so please keep this going)
508. Tiffany Adkins Fort Campbell, Ky - Army Wife!!!
509. Spc Dustin Adkins- stationed in Iraq at the moment!!!
510. Samantha Frazier-Military daughter
511. Jo Bush-military step daughter
512. Leah Burgess-military step daughter.
513. Savannah Bryant - military daughter
514. Chase Bryant - military son
515. Kelsey Kazmar - military daughter
516. Dominic Kazmar - military son
517. Leslie Ward- Military daughter (19 years) and military girlfriend!!!!!!!!
518. PFC WHICKER- EVEN THOUGH I JUST GOT NJP'D I STILL HAVE A SOUL! SUPPORT THE TROOPS EVEN THOUGH YOU DONT AGREE WITH WHAT THEY ARE FIGHTING FOR... HELL SOME OF THEM DONT AGREE BUT STILL THEY FIGHT.
519.LCPL MOSLEY....I LOVE THE FUCKIN MARINE CORPS AND FUCK WHOEVER HAS A PROB WITH THE ONES WHO ARE DYING FOR THIER FREEDOMS!
520. LCpl Padilla. Its Bullshit that me and my fellow Marines sacrfise so those fags can do that shit. I say DRAFT BITCHES!!
521.J.Patterson, military sister LCpl JR Patterson
522.BreAnna Smith-Gf
523. Brittany Krynock
524. Heather Mayle~ I support all the brave soilders who risk they lifes for me, you and EVERYONE. And its a fuckin shame the some poeple have the nerve to down grade them like they are notthing.
525. Falon aka Bella!! I have family who graduated from West Point NY, an served in Iraq...an a really good friend who who is still in Iraq at this very moment!!
526.chizzy-my whole family served in some type of wars father vietnam-brother golf- all my fathers brother-vietnam causins golf and war on iraq
527. BOB-0 - I have three uncles that served in Vietnam and 1 that served in the gulf twice.And my best friends father got two purple hearts in Vietnam. I support them and I say fuck this group...Take it off!
526. Christy Marie- i say... if you cant stand behind them.. feel free to stand infront of them....... i support them so i say take it off.
527. Ashley Boley
528. Leah Novak
529. Alisha Ralsten (U.S. Army Vet) 526 is right, all those people in that group feel free to stand in front of our soliders, at least then we know that the real men and women in this country will come home.
530. Bianca Sandifer- Ummm my fiance is in the military this is so awful, please get this off myspace.
531. Cassie Johnson U.S. Army Wife
532. Brittany Morgan-Even if you don't support the war and the President, support the men and women over there fighting it isn't their choice to be there, it is their job.
533. Bruce Morgan
534. Jamie Lewis
535.Buddy Hill
536. Jocelyn Drawdy - I agree with ..526
537. LT. Brian Lee Hood/ Company Eight/CCFD
538. Tera Benford
539. Adam D.
540. Shaun Privett- Have you guys even seen the memebers of that group. They're all fuckin underage "emo-kids". Just give them time, and they'll cut themselves. hehe HOORAAH!!! AMERICA!!!
541. SRA Miller, Security Forces, United States Air Force!!!! im going to IRAQ next month, I may not go with what the president has to say, but i will soon be putting my life on the line for ALL of you and your FREEDOMS. So if you like putting all of these messages online and talking about what you dont understand, then all i can say is take the M-4 and 240B from my hand and sit in the turret of a HUMMV and fight off all of those bastards that want to take your freedom of speech from you!!!! I say to ALL OF YOU will you take the place of the soldier, airman, marine, or sailor to defend what you hold dear to you???!!!! I think all of the people who waste there time talking about the politics should stop for a second and instead of blaming the fucking troops for all of the war in the world you should stop and thank the troops since your PUSSY ASS wont shut the fuck up and grab that gun from my fucking hands and defend what you belive. So the next time you are blabering on about what you belive stop and thank me and my fellow airman, soldiers, marines, and sailors that are dying each day to keep your lazy asses safe, and free!!!!!!!!!
542. Shana Harris
543. Rachel Gillam
544. Becky Giffin
545. Aimee Roach- wife USAF, my husband is in Iraq
546. Destiny Ledbetter USAF wife!!!!!!!!!
547. SPC James Oliver US Army Cavalry!
548. Kaitlyn McHugh
549. PVT2 Shannon Guinn US Army Calvary Scout
550. Jessica Sanders
551. Art Buff (Grandson To USN Vets., Nephew To USAF Ret. And 4yrs. Benedictine Military School.)
552. MAJ Scott A. Bean, we should start a group "Fuck the Emo Kids"
553. Corpral Rajan A. Dulamal Benedictine Military School
second squad leader Band co. (thought that made me sound special)
554. Cadet Senior Airman Tufo Civil Air Patrol Cadet, and Benedictine Military School Cadet
555. Damon Clayton - proud son of a Iraq war veteran, And planning on serving myself
556. Brandon Lebe - if you dont agree with them then shut the fuck up we don't want to hear it, they do their job like you do yours, they don't say "Fuck The DOctors or Lawyers or Engineers...etc" do they?
557. Katie Koehling
558. Sara
559. Rich Olsen
560. Retired SFC Allen Olsen United States Army
561. Huggins- Granddaughter of US ARMY COLONEL, Granddaughter of US Airforce Reconized Aviation Artist.
562. Megan Perry- my brother was shipped out this past sunday, my great uncle the famous leader of the flying tigers, every male in the family on my dad side has served in every war!
563. Ashley Lindstrom
564. Lorenzo Jackson
565. Ashley Moore
566. Jessica Carroll -Cpl at Norwich University (Military College of Vermont) and Army ROTC Cadet
567. Joe Mozzi -Cpl at Norwich University. Contracted with the United States Marine Corps
568. TJ O'Malley - Cpl. at Norwich University.
569. Jesse Dunn - Cpl. at Norwich University and Army Cadet
570. Rebekah
571. 1st Sgt. Dundon - GET SOME ! - All gave some; some gave all. Remember those who give you the right to speak your mind, you have freedom. But exercise it wisely .. or I'll beat your ass
572. Laura-- my prayers go out to the troops.
573.cpl garrett , oorah kick some ass troops
574. Wesley G. Hill Officer Candidate and Sergeant of MARINES
575. Mike McDaniel- USMC
576. Elizabeth McDaniel- Proud Marine Wife
577. Kayla Reynolds Porud Ex USMC Marine Finace
578. Grey Foser- California Law Enforcement and and advocate of pride in our country that provides the freedoms that some people unfortunately take advantage of and do things like this.
579. Cpl. Hardison, John J. - USMC
580. Whitney Hardison- Proud Marine Wife, Toughest Job in the Corps!!!!!!
581. Cpl. Smeck, Andrew L.- USMC
582. Sgt. Smeck, Nicholas W. -USMC
583....jenn canning
584. Chris Taylor- California Firefigher
585. Matt Rau Contractor
586. Sean McCarthy
587. Paul Dahlen
588. Jessica Lewis-my boyfriend is at Basic right now for Army National Guard, preparing to do what he can to help protect this country. I am damn proud of him and his choice to help others help us. Ya'll should be ashamed of yourselves for maligning these wonderful, proud people. I am very proud of him and all the other men and women out there doing their part to protect us, so the question is:what are you doing for the people of this country?
589. Gara Pomeroy
590 Kari Townsend
591 Diane Townsend
592 Rona Townsed
593 Susan Devan
594. S.Marie~
595.Sherry Wozniak (PROUD AIR FORCE WIFE)
596.Maleia Nyberg~Friend and family member of the troops~
597.Sarah Garcia usmc wife
598.Roxy and chester
599. Benito GArcia usmc Sgt
600. Ashley Lewis - USMC
601. Lcpl Steve Hawkins- USMC
"Only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you,
Jesus Christ and the American G. I. One died for your soul, the other for your freedom"
602. Allison Kasal - u guys all rock my socks off, miss you especially, timothy miller!
603. Spc. Jeff Hurst-U.S. Army~Infantry
604.jessica-prayers got out to u guys and girls
605. Rob Jennings- no one should be hated for risking their life to protect our freedoms
606. Lee Chalmers- my brother is in the army damnit
607. PFC Chalmers, Alex C- U.S. ARMY INFANTRY
608. Spc. Randy L Davis-US Army INFANTRY
609. PFC Christopher W Brack- US Army INFANTRY
610. PV2 Ryan F Aulbach-US Army INFANTRY
611.PFC Jamie C. Petraszewsky-US Army INFANTRY
612.SPC(P) Mark A. Gandar - US ARMY INFANTRY
613. CPL (P) Brian Gualt- US ARMY INFANTRY
614. Jennifer Gandar - US ARMY INFANTRY WIFE
615. Terry Carter- US ARMY INFANTRY MOTHER-IN-LAW
616. Kaleb Gandar- THE GANDAR BABY SAYS FUCK YOU HATERS " ARMY STRONG'
617.Kimberly Swearingen
618.Jonathan Hernandez
619.Kayleigh Jolie Hernandez
620. Ida Lynn Gallardo
621. Rene Aguilar
622. Nayeli Alessandra Aguilar
623. *******PROUD ARMY WIFE LATOYA JOHNS*********** FUCK ALL YOU HATERS YOU DON'T LIKE KEEP IT TO YOURSELF OK THEY ARE THE REASON FOR YOUR FREEDOM !!!!

IF YOU DON'T STAND BEHIND OUT TROOPS FEEL FREE TO STAND IN FRONT OF THEM!!!!!

YEAH SEE IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO STAND IN FRONT OF THEM YALL ARE JUST A WHOLE BUNCHA PUSSIES OTHERWISE YALL WOULD BE WHERE MY HUSBAND IS WEARING ACU'S AND FIGHTING FOR A LOT OF JACKASSES FREEDOM SOMETIME I WONDER WHY HE IS DOING THIS......
624. ***********PROUD ARMY BRAT JAXON KOLE JOHNS************
625. Cat Rivera(my friend is in the Army, along with my cousins that are in the army and marines) so to all them ppl that are haters: lets see you get out there and do something!!
626. Shane Ford
627. AMBER HARTMAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
628.~heather brooks~ PROUD AIR FORCE WIFE!!!!
629. Abbey Norgrant Born and raised military
630. SSgt Phillip Chastain (USAF)...Keep this in mind; we never want to go to war. But when the time comes we do it proudly to defend what is rightfully ours. The men and women who are overseas right now would love nothing more than to come home to friends and family who love and support them. This is our way of supporting them while they are laying their lives on the line in a place which resembles your worst nightmare. SO EXERCISE SOME SENSITIVITY AND BE GLAD YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO BITCH ABOUT WHAT YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND! I'LL BET NONE OF YOU WOULD EVER HAVE THE BALLS TO STAND UP FOR THE COUNTRY'S FREEDOM, SO SHUT THE HELL UP!
631. SSgt Chad Calahan (USAF) nicely put Chaz!!
632. Justin Cross USN enlisted NOT drafted
633. AME1 AW Richard Brickey, USN Voluntary, not mandatory! If I could speak for my entire squadron (VFA-2) I would.
634. AO2(AW) Michael Fountain, USN
635. Jeremiah Buchanan
636. Melissa Halstead
637. Jacob Garcia
638. Michelle E.( USMC Daughter& Sister)
639. David E.
640. Ashley Johnson Army Ranger Neice
641.Tony Smith FREEDOM isnt Free!!! proud of the men and women doing a job well done
642. Mark & Kenleigh Boone (children of Army National Guard soldier)
643. Jenna Zeigler - Sister of USAF Soldier
644.K Ginn- US Army wife
645 K. Bair-US Army wife
645 2LT Kenneth Smith- US Army Soldier and brother to a Marine
646. W01 Matthew J. Scott- US Army Aviator
647. WO1 D. Jeremy Milliman- US Army Aviator ...get a job u left-wing whores!!
647. Proud Army Pilot's Wife J'Aime` Stevenson
648.Screamin Demon Tattoos.proud of my country and those who have the balls to potect my freedom
649. A. Schultz - Mind boggling as to why people would speak bad of those that protect and serve. it is because of them we have the right to live freely as well as openly display bad judgement.- got me!! Oh N #152..I gotta say ure not much better in what you say. I totally take offence to your tree huggin comment. I may not serve but I stand by you and for you to badmouth others...What is the point we are trying to prove here?
650. Melissa Gullion.....We do not need people like this in the world God Bless all of out Military Men, Women, and Families
651. Amn Jason Rodriquez, God Bless those who protect the freedom we all have!!!
652. Michael Sherman-AF brat
653. Sue Sherman-Military Wife
654. Charles Sherman-Retired USAF MSgt
655. A1C Robert Sherman
656. Jennifer Tarble-USAF Dependant
I am proud of all of our military men and women serving our nation and protecting what many take for granted every day. Screw those who are against them and are too retarded to see the good that our troops are doing!!!
657. Kevin Porras, A1C, US, AFSOC
658. Brittany Hogan, USAF dependent, USMC sister-in-law
659. Casi Krog, USAF spouse...if you don't believe such a site could exsist, go to search and look it up by display name.
660. Misty O'Quinn, US Citizen who is very proud of the brave men and women who will stand up and FIGHT for our rights. God Bless our troops.
661. Hayley Pinkowski...Military Wife.. Support our Troops.. Bless those who serve and protect for our freedom
662. Jennifer Majors ~ Where would our country be without our brave troops? We should ship those who say F*CK troops to Iraq and see what they have to say then!
663. Amy Majors ~ I agree with Jen. Everyone who says fuck the Troops, should be sent to iraq. We have to protect ourselfs before situations get out of hand. Thank You all the Military Men and Women surving... Thank you
664. Justin Bunting ~ Although I may not agree with why we're still over there, I'll always support the ever-defending troops...God Bless. I have friends in the Aiforce, and I was a military brat growing up. Get this group outta here!